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		<title>By: Avatar&#8217;s Pandora: The Perfect Twitter Metaphor &#124; B2Bbloggers</title>
		<link>http://businessesgrow.com/2009/09/21/the-social-media-country-club/comment-page-3/#comment-2259</link>
		<dc:creator>Avatar&#8217;s Pandora: The Perfect Twitter Metaphor &#124; B2Bbloggers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 05:15:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] be fooled, there are sacred lands that you will need to earn your way [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] be fooled, there are sacred lands that you will need to earn your way [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://businessesgrow.com/2009/09/21/the-social-media-country-club/comment-page-3/#comment-1050</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:15:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Polprav Certainly. Thanks for asking.</description>
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		<title>By: Polprav</title>
		<link>http://businessesgrow.com/2009/09/21/the-social-media-country-club/comment-page-2/#comment-1048</link>
		<dc:creator>Polprav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 17:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello from Russia!
Can I quote a post in your blog with the link to you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello from Russia!<br />
Can I quote a post in your blog with the link to you?</p>
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		<title>By: country club</title>
		<link>http://businessesgrow.com/2009/09/21/the-social-media-country-club/comment-page-2/#comment-949</link>
		<dc:creator>country club</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 15:15:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;country club...&lt;/strong&gt;

Your topic - Priorities - San Ramon Danville CA Real Estate was interesting when I found it on Monday searching for country club...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>country club&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Your topic &#8211; Priorities &#8211; San Ramon Danville CA Real Estate was interesting when I found it on Monday searching for country club&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://businessesgrow.com/2009/09/21/the-social-media-country-club/comment-page-2/#comment-822</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 13:32:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@chris -- You truly amaze me. I know you probably don&#039;t have time to  breathe right now yet somehow pieced together a meaningful reply to the post. Don&#039;t know how you do it, but thank you!

Regarding useful criticism, I personally try to strike a balance. I comment on what I observe but also do a lot of teaching through this blog. Much of the time I am throwing out questions because I don&#039;t have the answers -- normally my audience does!

A reality: In the post following this one, I provide my own version of what I would do if I were &quot;in the country club&quot; to tone down the backslapping and enable more debate. It was probably the least-tweeted article I&#039;ve ever written. One possible interpretation: bloggers don&#039;t deliver constructive feedback because readers don&#039;t respond to it. 

I can relate to being protective about your &quot;baby.&quot; It must feel great to accomplish something like that. So thanks for taking the book criticism graciously.  

I tried to distance myself from the &quot;piling on&quot; that occurred throughout the thread. I think it&#039;s unfair to attack individuals for their success instead of the issues. The human tendency toward cronyism and its implications is the issue, not you (or anyone) personally.  

You&#039;re such a likeable guy but sometimes the things you say about business make me want to shake you! Still, nobody works harder or gives back more to their audience than Chris Brogan and that means something, whether I agree with you or not.  

I bought your book because it was my &quot;vote&quot; for you and your contributions to the social media community. If nothing else, you have consistently offered yourself up as a lightning rod for debate. I wanted to reward you for that and all the free stuff you&#039;ve thrown out there for years. 

I&#039;ll buy your next book for the same reason. But that doesn&#039;t mean I won&#039;t be honest about it! : )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@chris &#8212; You truly amaze me. I know you probably don&#8217;t have time to  breathe right now yet somehow pieced together a meaningful reply to the post. Don&#8217;t know how you do it, but thank you!</p>
<p>Regarding useful criticism, I personally try to strike a balance. I comment on what I observe but also do a lot of teaching through this blog. Much of the time I am throwing out questions because I don&#8217;t have the answers &#8212; normally my audience does!</p>
<p>A reality: In the post following this one, I provide my own version of what I would do if I were &#8220;in the country club&#8221; to tone down the backslapping and enable more debate. It was probably the least-tweeted article I&#8217;ve ever written. One possible interpretation: bloggers don&#8217;t deliver constructive feedback because readers don&#8217;t respond to it. </p>
<p>I can relate to being protective about your &#8220;baby.&#8221; It must feel great to accomplish something like that. So thanks for taking the book criticism graciously.  </p>
<p>I tried to distance myself from the &#8220;piling on&#8221; that occurred throughout the thread. I think it&#8217;s unfair to attack individuals for their success instead of the issues. The human tendency toward cronyism and its implications is the issue, not you (or anyone) personally.  </p>
<p>You&#8217;re such a likeable guy but sometimes the things you say about business make me want to shake you! Still, nobody works harder or gives back more to their audience than Chris Brogan and that means something, whether I agree with you or not.  </p>
<p>I bought your book because it was my &#8220;vote&#8221; for you and your contributions to the social media community. If nothing else, you have consistently offered yourself up as a lightning rod for debate. I wanted to reward you for that and all the free stuff you&#8217;ve thrown out there for years. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll buy your next book for the same reason. But that doesn&#8217;t mean I won&#8217;t be honest about it! : )</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Brogan...</title>
		<link>http://businessesgrow.com/2009/09/21/the-social-media-country-club/comment-page-2/#comment-786</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Brogan...</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 11:45:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t have a lot that I want to add to the post. It&#039;s pretty interesting to read. I&#039;m probably the most approachable guy I know, so to think that people should somehow cower when they disagree with me is silly. If you&#039;ve met me (which most of the people on this post have not), you&#039;ll know a lot more about the person behind the keyboard. I fly every 2 days right now, so eventually, I&#039;ll meet you, maybe.

Adam, I don&#039;t have your impressive background. The folks who hire me (Sony, AMD, Cisco, Microsoft, Pepsico, Comcast Interactive, etc, etc) just hire me because they believe I know something. I don&#039;t have decades of experience in sales and marketing. Oddly, they don&#039;t care. They hire me because I know something about how the new thing is working, the thing that hasn&#039;t come before. 

Revolutions don&#039;t come with roadmaps. 

Back on track of Mark&#039;s post: is backpatting rampant? Absolutely. 

Here&#039;s what&#039;s more troubling to me, personally: USEFUL criticism is at an all time low. I can read a post per day (there&#039;s a decent average) of someone crapping on me for something. What I rarely read are those same bloggers offering up useful information on what they&#039;d do better. 

Addressing the book: the book was written to point out some very basic truths, that this stuff we&#039;re doing isn&#039;t like traditional marketing and business communication. Is it repetitive? Shit, probably. It&#039;s our first book. We&#039;re learning. We hacked it the way we hack everything, and then we learn and improve for next time. But it&#039;s selling like crazy, so people are buying it in its current crappy form. And all my backpatting friends aren&#039;t the buyers, so someone seems to be getting the word out there. 

When your books come out, you&#039;ll get the strange feeling in my belly that I get every time I read something negative. I like to learn, but I feel bad when someone calls my kid ugly. I know this because I now feel worse about every negative review I ever gave. I worry that I wasn&#039;t constructive enough. 

Am I someone who loves to learn via constructive criticism? No. Constructive feedback? Yes. But those are two different things. 

That&#039;s all I have to add. Not really going to proliferate the thread, but I&#039;m grateful for your opinions. To those who slam me just for being where I am, that&#039;s okay too. We all get there different ways.

I want to be the monkey on the right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t have a lot that I want to add to the post. It&#8217;s pretty interesting to read. I&#8217;m probably the most approachable guy I know, so to think that people should somehow cower when they disagree with me is silly. If you&#8217;ve met me (which most of the people on this post have not), you&#8217;ll know a lot more about the person behind the keyboard. I fly every 2 days right now, so eventually, I&#8217;ll meet you, maybe.</p>
<p>Adam, I don&#8217;t have your impressive background. The folks who hire me (Sony, AMD, Cisco, Microsoft, Pepsico, Comcast Interactive, etc, etc) just hire me because they believe I know something. I don&#8217;t have decades of experience in sales and marketing. Oddly, they don&#8217;t care. They hire me because I know something about how the new thing is working, the thing that hasn&#8217;t come before. </p>
<p>Revolutions don&#8217;t come with roadmaps. </p>
<p>Back on track of Mark&#8217;s post: is backpatting rampant? Absolutely. </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s what&#8217;s more troubling to me, personally: USEFUL criticism is at an all time low. I can read a post per day (there&#8217;s a decent average) of someone crapping on me for something. What I rarely read are those same bloggers offering up useful information on what they&#8217;d do better. </p>
<p>Addressing the book: the book was written to point out some very basic truths, that this stuff we&#8217;re doing isn&#8217;t like traditional marketing and business communication. Is it repetitive? Shit, probably. It&#8217;s our first book. We&#8217;re learning. We hacked it the way we hack everything, and then we learn and improve for next time. But it&#8217;s selling like crazy, so people are buying it in its current crappy form. And all my backpatting friends aren&#8217;t the buyers, so someone seems to be getting the word out there. </p>
<p>When your books come out, you&#8217;ll get the strange feeling in my belly that I get every time I read something negative. I like to learn, but I feel bad when someone calls my kid ugly. I know this because I now feel worse about every negative review I ever gave. I worry that I wasn&#8217;t constructive enough. </p>
<p>Am I someone who loves to learn via constructive criticism? No. Constructive feedback? Yes. But those are two different things. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s all I have to add. Not really going to proliferate the thread, but I&#8217;m grateful for your opinions. To those who slam me just for being where I am, that&#8217;s okay too. We all get there different ways.</p>
<p>I want to be the monkey on the right.</p>
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		<title>By: Social trending toward confrontation &#124; The Electric Waffle</title>
		<link>http://businessesgrow.com/2009/09/21/the-social-media-country-club/comment-page-2/#comment-785</link>
		<dc:creator>Social trending toward confrontation &#124; The Electric Waffle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 10:04:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] was the unfortunate target of a misguided post and we had some debate about the credibility of the so-called social media country club. All of this got me thinking and I came to the conclusion that, in my opinion, we&#8217;re about to [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] was the unfortunate target of a misguided post and we had some debate about the credibility of the so-called social media country club. All of this got me thinking and I came to the conclusion that, in my opinion, we&#8217;re about to [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Google Wave teases with the side wiki &#187; POTPOLITICS</title>
		<link>http://businessesgrow.com/2009/09/21/the-social-media-country-club/comment-page-2/#comment-774</link>
		<dc:creator>Google Wave teases with the side wiki &#187; POTPOLITICS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 08:14:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a reply via that iPHONE QUICK &lt;see what I&#8217;m saying. Recently I read a great post called the Social Media Country Club, where the premise started out with a less then stellar review of Chris Brogan&#8217;s  new Book [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] a reply via that iPHONE QUICK &lt;see what I&#8217;m saying. Recently I read a great post called the Social Media Country Club, where the premise started out with a less then stellar review of Chris Brogan&#8217;s  new Book [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Nitin Gupta</title>
		<link>http://businessesgrow.com/2009/09/21/the-social-media-country-club/comment-page-2/#comment-773</link>
		<dc:creator>Nitin Gupta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 04:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark,

Great discussion. It is healthy to challenge and disturb the waters from time to time and kudos to you for having the courage to speak up your mind.

I couldn&#039;t resist sharing the link to this cartoon
http://www.flickr.com/photos/hubspot/3196650975/

Cheers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark,</p>
<p>Great discussion. It is healthy to challenge and disturb the waters from time to time and kudos to you for having the courage to speak up your mind.</p>
<p>I couldn&#8217;t resist sharing the link to this cartoon<br />
<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/hubspot/3196650975/" rel="nofollow">http://www.flickr.com/photos/hubspot/3196650975/</a></p>
<p>Cheers</p>
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		<title>By: DR. WHAW? &#8211; September 23, 2009 &#171; One true sentence.</title>
		<link>http://businessesgrow.com/2009/09/21/the-social-media-country-club/comment-page-2/#comment-772</link>
		<dc:creator>DR. WHAW? &#8211; September 23, 2009 &#171; One true sentence.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 22:08:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] defense of social media and its biggest names in response to Mark Schaefer&#8217;s post about the country club of social media. He argues that while sometimes there is some group-think and there are downsides to social media, [...]</description>
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